Saturday, September 18, 2004

Polls, Free kicks, Who cares? and getting it wrong!

Who in Sydney cares about a bottom-pinching SA Member of Parliament. Intersting choice for a front page story on the Daily Telegraph's website.

I don't know if this AAP story was sub-edited, but it was a shocker.

The article states "Greens senator Bob Brown has suggested he could direct preferences the way of the coalition if Mr Howard agreed to a compensation package on Tasmania's forests." Do they really believe the Greens will preference a party who took the country to war on a pre-emptive strike for WMDs that didn't exist? The Greens may do a split ticket but have in no way suggested preferencing Liberal. The rest of the story was just a free kick to Howard.

Breaking news from AAP finally got it right quoting Bob Brown saying "It would be unprecedented for the Greens to allocate preferences to the Coalition" I told you so.

Not to be outdone by his leader Peter Costello got a free kick as well courtesy of the Daily Telegraph and AAP.

The Tele's editorial was celebrating democracy by declaring it was nice to have choice in this election, and then they put on the Jack Boots claiming the Greens were no choice at all.

Malcolm Farr kept up the biased coverage with his analysis claiming Labor's policies have fallen flat. Just a shame the polls don't show it.

News Corp can't get their poll spin right either with Howard getting a boost in the Tele while the ALP gains but not in the marginals in the Australian.

Speaking of News Poll, my neighbour got polled the other day and he claims the conversation went like this.
NP; Hi I'm from News Poll. In the upcoming Fed election will you be voting Liberal or Labor.
Neighbour; Neither.
NP; so I will put you down as an other.
Neighbour; No I am a green voter not an other voter.
NP; OK we will put you down as a Green.
If my neighbour is accurate this is the most biased way of conducting a poll and will boost both Labor and Liberal primary percentages and disadvantage all minor parties.
Has anyone else had this experience?




9 Comments:

At 7:47 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, Iain? You're not really in a position to talk about what makes good sub-editing. Perhaps if you took some lessons from Goat Boy's School for the Gramatically Challenged, you'd be taken a smidge more seriously. Oh, and actually getting a qualification and doing some relevant work experience would help you out too. As it stands, you just come over as an unqualified hack.

 
At 9:02 pm, Blogger Mushroom said...

Holy Jesus... that's a bit rough "Anonymous"

 
At 2:42 am, Blogger Dave said...

I used to anonymously insult people over the internet too.

When I was 14.

 
At 8:04 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your ignorance astounds me, Iain.

The bum-pinching MP might have been on the front page of the Tele's website, but that doesn't necessarily make it a front-page story in the paper.

In any event, surely even you would regard a sexually harrasing MP as newsworthy.

This is a woman who, while proporting to be responsbile and representing thousand of South Australians, touches up men any time she gets a chance.

Remember the furore when Mark Latham was accused of sexual harrasment once?

Your criticism of the Malcolm Farr yarn is way off base. It is clearly an opinion piece. The Tele's chief political reporter has a right to one, too.

And it might surprise you to learn that opinion pieces of this nature occur are published all the time.

For future reference, if you happen to come across a story online that you're not sure about, opinion pieces have a very different structure to standard news stories. Ask your journalism lecturers if you're still confused.

And have you checked to see if Bob Brown didn't suggest some sort of deal with the Libs on old-growth forests? No. Of course not. You've based that rant on your all-pervading "general knowledge".

The AAP yarn might be wrong, but you don't KNOW that, do you? You assume it.

Another fine effort, Iain.

The Hack

 
At 10:16 am, Blogger HackWatch2004 said...

OK Hack,
Did I even suggest the SA MP story was on the front page of the paper edition? Not in any way. The comment was highlighting the interesting construction of the Daily Tele's web page.
You accuse me of assuming things. What the hell were you doing with this comment Hack? "This is a woman who, while proporting to be responsbile and representing thousand of South Australians, touches up men any time she gets a chance." That's right assuming stuff, unless of course you have been following her to check if she touches men up at every chance.

You then ask if I had "...checked to see if Bob Brown didn't suggest some sort of deal with the Libs on old-growth forests? No. Of course not. You've based that rant on your all-pervading "general knowledge"."
Being privy to Greens discussion groups about preferences gives me a little bit more than a "general knowledge" on this topic. Any polical journalist with any knowledge of the Greens would realise a straight LIb preference would decimate memebership and see an exodus of volunteers. Get over it hack, it was never going to happen, and the press reports saying it was a possibility were ridiculous.

Hack, I am seriously tempted to dump your comments from now on. This site was never designed to facilitate personal slanging matches between bloggers. I had hoped, and still do hope people would join in the debate about falling standards in our media and the corresponding decline in the democratic process.

Sure their will be differing opinions about what constitutes poor journalism, but if you are un-willing to challenge these differences without the petty abuse, you are going to get bounced.

 
At 5:07 pm, Blogger HackWatch2004 said...

Dennis Shanahan is copping a huge and thoroughly deserved spray on Crikey and is getting another vote for the Hack of 2004 award.

 
At 10:06 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did I even suggest the SA MP story was on the front page of the paper edition?No, you didn't suggest that, Iain. I was merely making the point, perhaps a mite to abstractly for some, that the front page of the website hardly gives the yarn the prominence it would have on the front page of the paper itself.

"This is a woman who, while proporting to be responsbile and representing thousand of South Australians, touches up men any time she gets a chance." That's right assuming stuff, unless of course you have been following her to check if she touches men up at every chance.Perhaps I took a liberty with that comment, but by her own admission, the MP was a serial offender.

Being privy to Greens discussion groups about preferences gives me a little bit more than a "general knowledge" on this topic. Any polical (sic) journalist with any knowledge of the Greens would realise a straight LIb (sic) preference would decimate (sic)memebership and see an exodus of volunteers.Oh, so Greens discussion groups now plug you directly into top-level talks among the Greens hierarchy, does it? I got sent to a bible discussion group once, when I was 11. Does that give me a direct line to Huey? Of course not. The rank and file might not contemplate it, but who knows what's been on the table at Greens HQ? No-one expected the Demo-Rats to back the GST and look what happened.

Hack, I am seriously tempted to dump your comments from now on. This site was never designed to facilitate personal slanging matches between bloggers.You started this slanging match by making wrong and salacious comments on this site suggesting I had made homophobic comments about Democrats candidate Jess Healy on The Spin Starts Here - comments you retracted, under pressure from me, and then only by pulling the entire piece.

It was only when you wrote that post that I realised your tin-pot operation even existed.

The trouble with folks like you is that you all seem to need validation from groupies and sycophants.

If anyone steps out of line and doesn't immediately roll over and agree with every word you write, you pull the "your opinions aren't welcome here" card.

Don't want dissenting opinion? Don't open up comments. Don't want abuse? Think a bit more about what you post.

If you want to dump all of my comments, you are most welcome. But then you'd be betraying the argument for open media debate you champion on this site.

The Hack
www.spinstartshere.com

PS - decimate means to destroy one-tenth of something. If a storm decimated an orchard of 100 trees, it would have destroyed 10 of them. Never use "decimate" and a synonym for "destroy".

 
At 8:50 am, Blogger HackWatch2004 said...

Hack,
Yes criticism is tolerated, but abuse is not. Get over it, join the debate.

 
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